It was still "in time", but the cam gear was able to move a whole tooth in either direction before the chain would even think about moveing the crank. I guess i'll pull the valve covers and intake while im at it too, Guys on my dodge forum said it could be a bad cam (which personally i don't understand how it could cause that but im out of ideas anyways). Anyways, cam is probably gonna come out. On the old 360 my dad showed my that you can visually check a cam by just comparing all the lobes for differences, is that a good enough method too see if mine is bad enough to cause my issue?