Now I know if you want real bottom - mid power you need a 450 .. But I havn't had enough experience to go to a 450 yet, so I'm staying with 250s. But I do love bottom punch and grunt, so can anyone finally finish the dispute as to which 250 motocrosser has the best usable bottom end for both 2010 and 2011, apart from the Yamaha because apparently they are not particullarily fast..