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<blockquote data-quote="TurtleShifter" data-source="post: 158438" data-attributes="member: 217">As soon as you start showing a bike in a race situation against other racers and say &quot;see, it can do this or that against other racers&quot; you have gone off on a tangent.&nbsp; It is now HEAVILY influenced by the rider which is in complete contrast to the title of the thread.&nbsp; Mututally exclusive.&nbsp;You introduce an independant 3rd party and have him/her race the awesomeness that is the 500cc 2-stoke in race#1. You have that same rider race a (much better bike to be named) 450 cc 4-stroke<img src="https://www.dirtbikeaddicts.com/static/images/smilies/clap.gif"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":clap:" title="Clap&nbsp; &nbsp; :clap:" data-shortname=":clap:" /> <img src="https://www.dirtbikeaddicts.com/static/images/smilies/drool.gif"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":drool:" title="Drool&nbsp; &nbsp; :drool:" data-shortname=":drool:" /> <img src="https://www.dirtbikeaddicts.com/static/images/smilies/hyper.gif"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":hyper:" title="Hyper&nbsp; &nbsp; :hyper:" data-shortname=":hyper:" />&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; <img src="https://www.dirtbikeaddicts.com/static/images/smilies/faint.gif"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":faint:" title="Faint&nbsp; &nbsp; :faint:" data-shortname=":faint:" />again in race 2, you have at least removed the rider as a variable to the best of the test's ability.&nbsp;Put that in your pipe and smoke (pun intended) it<img src="https://www.dirtbikeaddicts.com/static/images/smilies/whip.gif"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":whip:" title="Whip&nbsp; &nbsp; :whip:" data-shortname=":whip:" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="TurtleShifter, post: 158438, member: 217"] As soon as you start showing a bike in a race situation against other racers and say "see, it can do this or that against other racers" you have gone off on a tangent. It is now HEAVILY influenced by the rider which is in complete contrast to the title of the thread. Mututally exclusive. You introduce an independant 3rd party and have him/her race the awesomeness that is the 500cc 2-stoke in race#1. You have that same rider race a (much better bike to be named) 450 cc 4-stroke:clap: :drool: :hyper: :faint:again in race 2, you have at least removed the rider as a variable to the best of the test's ability. Put that in your pipe and smoke (pun intended) it:whip: [/QUOTE]

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