Another Trail Cleared

I get out and clear another trail...

http://youtu.be/44XfAnabalg?hd=1

Hope your doing your part to maintain the trails you enjoy. :thumb:

I encourage riders that want to be first out in the woods to carry a chainsaw and clear the trails. Yet each year, irresponsible riders think it is OK to head out and go around the down trees. Creating more work for those volunteers who do the work.

I understand that some cannot volunteer. However, you can still help by turning around when a trail has not been cleared. Instead of being first tracks, wait a few weeks to plan a ride, give those volunteers that are willing to help a chance to clear your favorite trails for you.

Lets keep our Pristine OHV trails "Pristine"! Thanks again to all the riders who help...
 
I get out and clear another trail...

http://youtu.be/44XfAnabalg?hd=1

Hope your doing your part to maintain the trails you enjoy. :thumb:

I encourage riders that want to be first out in the woods to carry a chainsaw and clear the trails. Yet each year, irresponsible riders think it is OK to head out and go around the down trees. Creating more work for those volunteers who do the work.

I understand that some cannot volunteer. However, you can still help by turning around when a trail has not been cleared. Instead of being first tracks, wait a few weeks to plan a ride, give those volunteers that are willing to help a chance to clear your favorite trails for you.

Lets keep our Pristine OHV trails "Pristine"! Thanks again to all the riders who help...

first off i want to say... you are my hero. thanks

now i dont want this to sound like a dick question cause i dont mean it that way but why is going around making more work for volunteers?

last i want to say, i really been wanting to volunteer some time on the trails because i enjoy riding and would like to give back but with my kids at the age they are its not easy for me to get away on the same days the volunteer teams are going out. One thing i will do is stop and help out if i see something dangerous like a rock in a bad spot or a dangerous hole i will fill in.... big ass branches across the trail... i dont have a chainsaw or the strength to move those but if i could i would.
 
I get out and clear another trail...

http://youtu.be/44XfAnabalg?hd=1

Hope your doing your part to maintain the trails you enjoy. :thumb:

I encourage riders that want to be first out in the woods to carry a chainsaw and clear the trails. Yet each year, irresponsible riders think it is OK to head out and go around the down trees. Creating more work for those volunteers who do the work.

I understand that some cannot volunteer. However, you can still help by turning around when a trail has not been cleared. Instead of being first tracks, wait a few weeks to plan a ride, give those volunteers that are willing to help a chance to clear your favorite trails for you.

Lets keep our Pristine OHV trails "Pristine"! Thanks again to all the riders who help...

Excellent post! I wonder why the peeps in SoCal get their knickers in a twist when their trails are shut down after they make 6000 trails up the same hill and give the tree-huggers impetus to show they are f'ging things up! :thinking:
 
first off i want to say... you are my hero. thanks

now i dont want this to sound like a dick question cause i dont mean it that way but why is going around making more work for volunteers?

last i want to say, i really been wanting to volunteer some time on the trails because i enjoy riding and would like to give back but with my kids at the age they are its not easy for me to get away on the same days the volunteer teams are going out. One thing i will do is stop and help out if i see something dangerous like a rock in a bad spot or a dangerous hole i will fill in.... big ass branches across the trail... i dont have a chainsaw or the strength to move those but if i could i would.

What I hear is riders who say they like jumping trees, what I see is 90% of the time there is no way anyone could stay on the trail and Ride over the down tree. The evidence I see is a cluster of tracks going every which way to get around the downed tree(s). Off the bank, up the bank, cutting switchbacks...Often I see tracks rolling off a bank to cut one or more switchback turns and the group finally encounters downfall, snowdrift, trail washed out, stream crossing that is way beyond dangerous. The group is forced to turn back and switchbacks they rolled off, now become a hillclimb. When the trail is bucked, those go arounds have to be fixed. If not, those tracks become the new trail in some cases, or erode into deep ruts.

While some trees do fall on level ground and it is possible to just ride around the tree and leave no tracks, what I witness is wheel spinning carnage, as riders "burn" in multiple lines around the tree, berms, ruts, wheel spinning, digging and trenching, creating a mess. If riders would simply go around and leave no trace, no problem. Responsible riders do and there is nothing to fix. Even better is coming up on down trees and seeing fresh sawdust and the trail cleared by the rider or group of riders who got there earlier.

It takes a lot of work to build and maintain trails. Our land managers make excuses, like they don't have the time, money or manpower to build new OHV trails. They jump on a Trail Tractor and convert the single track trail into another wide, unsafe, below grade, unsustainable Quad/PUV route. A large number of unskilled riders think its great to see a freshly graded route. They can't ride ones overpowered 450 mxer on a trail, but once its graded into a Quad route, look at me go...wham, head on, now whinning and advocating for one-way routes. The squids show up on the pristine trails and more trail lost...

My experiance is the riders who help build/maintain trails get it. They have lost many trails to Quads and the willful mismanagement of OHV areas by many land managers. Can anyone name a major OHV area in California where the single track can be described "Pristine"? I would suggest it is hard to find a Pristine, legal, single track within one of the major OHV areas. Most have bulldozed Quad crap routes, not trails. Stonyford, Upper Lake, Foresthill, Gorman are examples.

The trail rider who rides Pristine trails is seldom willing to share information about ones favorite trails on the internet. Some riders want to return and ride ones favorite trail in the future, others just want to conquer it. Despite the fact that the trail is not suited to ones bike or ability. Others think its ones personal race track to moto, A-line the trail, (cut the trail every chance they get).

I think Dirt Bike riders are great people. If you love this sport enough to buy a bike, gear and a vehicle to transport your bike, to ride trails. I would think you would want to help take care of the trails/areas you enjoy riding? Here come the excuses...
 
What I hear is riders who say they like jumping trees, what I see is 90% of the time there is no way anyone could stay on the trail and Ride over the down tree. The evidence I see is a cluster of tracks going every which way to get around the downed tree(s). Off the bank, up the bank, cutting switchbacks...Often I see tracks rolling off a bank to cut one or more switchback turns and the group finally encounters downfall, snowdrift, trail washed out, stream crossing that is way beyond dangerous. The group is forced to turn back and switchbacks they rolled off, now become a hillclimb. When the trail is bucked, those go arounds have to be fixed. If not, those tracks become the new trail in some cases, or erode into deep ruts.

While some trees do fall on level ground and it is possible to just ride around the tree and leave no tracks, what I witness is wheel spinning carnage, as riders "burn" in multiple lines around the tree, berms, ruts, wheel spinning, digging and trenching, creating a mess. If riders would simply go around and leave no trace, no problem. Responsible riders do and there is nothing to fix. Even better is coming up on down trees and seeing fresh sawdust and the trail cleared by the rider or group of riders who got there earlier.

It takes a lot of work to build and maintain trails. Our land managers make excuses, like they don't have the time, money or manpower to build new OHV trails. They jump on a Trail Tractor and convert the single track trail into another wide, unsafe, below grade, unsustainable Quad/PUV route. A large number of unskilled riders think its great to see a freshly graded route. They can't ride ones overpowered 450 mxer on a trail, but once its graded into a Quad route, look at me go...wham, head on, now whinning and advocating for one-way routes. The squids show up on the pristine trails and more trail lost...

My experiance is the riders who help build/maintain trails get it. They have lost many trails to Quads and the willful mismanagement of OHV areas by many land managers. Can anyone name a major OHV area in California where the single track can be described "Pristine"? I would suggest it is hard to find a Pristine, legal, single track within one of the major OHV areas. Most have bulldozed Quad crap routes, not trails. Stonyford, Upper Lake, Foresthill, Gorman are examples.

The trail rider who rides Pristine trails is seldom willing to share information about ones favorite trails on the internet. Some riders want to return and ride ones favorite trail in the future, others just want to conquer it. Despite the fact that the trail is not suited to ones bike or ability. Others think its ones personal race track to moto, A-line the trail, (cut the trail every chance they get).

I think Dirt Bike riders are great people. If you love this sport enough to buy a bike, gear and a vehicle to transport your bike, to ride trails. I would think you would want to help take care of the trails/areas you enjoy riding? Here come the excuses...

Well, I live in the continental states! I must say "Yes!" to you and your efforts! I hope others within our continental "western" states riders will take it to heart! They don't, and they suck by example. Take a plane trip over the desert in SoCal! There are 50 trails going over a hill, not one or five! That's just irresponsible! No one person does it or is responsible for it! it's everyone! You can't deny it! Truth! It fuels the ire of those that want to close their trails! For that reason, I can't give them any quarter. They cut their own throats.
 
What I hear is riders who say they like jumping trees, what I see is 90% of the time there is no way anyone could stay on the trail and Ride over the down tree. The evidence I see is a cluster of tracks going every which way to get around the downed tree(s). Off the bank, up the bank, cutting switchbacks...Often I see tracks rolling off a bank to cut one or more switchback turns and the group finally encounters downfall, snowdrift, trail washed out, stream crossing that is way beyond dangerous. The group is forced to turn back and switchbacks they rolled off, now become a hillclimb. When the trail is bucked, those go arounds have to be fixed. If not, those tracks become the new trail in some cases, or erode into deep ruts.

While some trees do fall on level ground and it is possible to just ride around the tree and leave no tracks, what I witness is wheel spinning carnage, as riders "burn" in multiple lines around the tree, berms, ruts, wheel spinning, digging and trenching, creating a mess. If riders would simply go around and leave no trace, no problem. Responsible riders do and there is nothing to fix. Even better is coming up on down trees and seeing fresh sawdust and the trail cleared by the rider or group of riders who got there earlier.

It takes a lot of work to build and maintain trails. Our land managers make excuses, like they don't have the time, money or manpower to build new OHV trails. They jump on a Trail Tractor and convert the single track trail into another wide, unsafe, below grade, unsustainable Quad/PUV route. A large number of unskilled riders think its great to see a freshly graded route. They can't ride ones overpowered 450 mxer on a trail, but once its graded into a Quad route, look at me go...wham, head on, now whinning and advocating for one-way routes. The squids show up on the pristine trails and more trail lost...

My experiance is the riders who help build/maintain trails get it. They have lost many trails to Quads and the willful mismanagement of OHV areas by many land managers. Can anyone name a major OHV area in California where the single track can be described "Pristine"? I would suggest it is hard to find a Pristine, legal, single track within one of the major OHV areas. Most have bulldozed Quad crap routes, not trails. Stonyford, Upper Lake, Foresthill, Gorman are examples.

The trail rider who rides Pristine trails is seldom willing to share information about ones favorite trails on the internet. Some riders want to return and ride ones favorite trail in the future, others just want to conquer it. Despite the fact that the trail is not suited to ones bike or ability. Others think its ones personal race track to moto, A-line the trail, (cut the trail every chance they get).

I think Dirt Bike riders are great people. If you love this sport enough to buy a bike, gear and a vehicle to transport your bike, to ride trails. I would think you would want to help take care of the trails/areas you enjoy riding? Here come the excuses...

I dont do chainsaws but I can bake cookies and move branches. I have done some shovel work before on a few trails. I do need to get back out there and help out some how. It has been a while since the last time. THANKS for your efforts and reminder. You made good, valid points.
 
What I hear is riders who say they like jumping trees, what I see is 90% of the time there is no way anyone could stay on the trail and Ride over the down tree. The evidence I see is a cluster of tracks going every which way to get around the downed tree(s). Off the bank, up the bank, cutting switchbacks...Often I see tracks rolling off a bank to cut one or more switchback turns and the group finally encounters downfall, snowdrift, trail washed out, stream crossing that is way beyond dangerous. The group is forced to turn back and switchbacks they rolled off, now become a hillclimb. When the trail is bucked, those go arounds have to be fixed. If not, those tracks become the new trail in some cases, or erode into deep ruts.

While some trees do fall on level ground and it is possible to just ride around the tree and leave no tracks, what I witness is wheel spinning carnage, as riders "burn" in multiple lines around the tree, berms, ruts, wheel spinning, digging and trenching, creating a mess. If riders would simply go around and leave no trace, no problem. Responsible riders do and there is nothing to fix. Even better is coming up on down trees and seeing fresh sawdust and the trail cleared by the rider or group of riders who got there earlier.

It takes a lot of work to build and maintain trails. Our land managers make excuses, like they don't have the time, money or manpower to build new OHV trails. They jump on a Trail Tractor and convert the single track trail into another wide, unsafe, below grade, unsustainable Quad/PUV route. A large number of unskilled riders think its great to see a freshly graded route. They can't ride ones overpowered 450 mxer on a trail, but once its graded into a Quad route, look at me go...wham, head on, now whinning and advocating for one-way routes. The squids show up on the pristine trails and more trail lost...

My experiance is the riders who help build/maintain trails get it. They have lost many trails to Quads and the willful mismanagement of OHV areas by many land managers. Can anyone name a major OHV area in California where the single track can be described "Pristine"? I would suggest it is hard to find a Pristine, legal, single track within one of the major OHV areas. Most have bulldozed Quad crap routes, not trails. Stonyford, Upper Lake, Foresthill, Gorman are examples.

The trail rider who rides Pristine trails is seldom willing to share information about ones favorite trails on the internet. Some riders want to return and ride ones favorite trail in the future, others just want to conquer it. Despite the fact that the trail is not suited to ones bike or ability. Others think its ones personal race track to moto, A-line the trail, (cut the trail every chance they get).

I think Dirt Bike riders are great people. If you love this sport enough to buy a bike, gear and a vehicle to transport your bike, to ride trails. I would think you would want to help take care of the trails/areas you enjoy riding? Here come the excuses...

you act like we are the enemy here... i dont know if you been reading responses but every single person so far is stoked on what you do and no one is in disagreement. Whats with all the anger here?
 
you act like we are the enemy here... i dont know if you been reading responses but every single person so far is stoked on what you do and no one is in disagreement. Whats with all the anger here?

I was not angry, sorry you read something into my comments. Trying to encourage riders to help keep what little good stuff we have left in good condition so we can all enjoy the ride. :thumb:
 
A couple of things.

Some of the forests down here like for example Los Padres are not too keen on people clearing trail. I've had them threatening arrest for just pulling a small down tree off the trail. Thank god that almost all the other forests are happy for any help.

There is a small amount of legal rather pristine trail down here in the southern part of the state. Got to hurry though as the travel management process will likely gut the existing trail system next year.
 
A couple of things.

Some of the forests down here like for example Los Padres are not too keen on people clearing trail. I've had them threatening arrest for just pulling a small down tree off the trail. Thank god that almost all the other forests are happy for any help.

There is a small amount of legal rather pristine trail down here in the southern part of the state. Got to hurry though as the travel management process will likely gut the existing trail system next year.
As a matter of fact, don't most of them want you to have a sawyer's license?
 
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