Potential reason for 2T extinction

Yes James I know this is a double post. But I felt it was worthy of its own thread.

After doing a little digging around the 2 stroke powered bikes are not and have not been banned. However....... I did find and read some interesting reasons why 2 stroke powered bikes do not race in PRO MX & SX AMA/FIM sanctioned races. Here are some of them

When the 4T bikes where first introduced they were sorta klunky heavy machines. But Yamaha, took a chance and started major R&D on the 4T machines and started winning races. The big 450 powered machine were just out classing there older technology 2T brother. So the saying what ever wins on Sunday is sold in large volumes the following pay day. The other 3 Japanese manufactures started R&D on there 4T machines and they too started winning races. Once again who ever wins on Sunday sells the following pay day. So now you have these new technology 4T machines out in the public market that are just simply out selling the 2T machines. If I was a motorcycle manufacturer and I made both machines and one was clearly out selling the other. I would drop the smaller sales machine turn that money into more R&D to the better selling machine.

So based off of this guys opinions (factual or not) We the consumers (and Pro racing) have driven the 2T machine to near extinction. Based off of what I have read the 4T machine (it kills me to say this) is the more powerful machine. Does this mean the 4T is better? Well....... I certainly dont think so. I think that the advent of the new shiney machine that won some races is what drove this to be the way it is. I mean who doesnt want new stuff, the latest and greatest. The only way that the big Japanese 4 will start up 2T manufacturing plus the required R&D to make better 2T machines is to buy new 2T machines. Now some of you purists that will only ride a certain color machine (yep Im guilty too) when it comes time to buy a new machine you may have to buy something that isnt in your color. To the best of my knowledge the only 2T machines that are still being developed and manufactured is KTM, ATK, and some other Euro manufactures. But if you want Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki, and Kawasaki to start making your 2T machines again............. We the consumer are the only ones that can get them back. By buying a new 2T machine from somebody else. This will increase the market and drive the Japanese markets to manufacture 2T machines so they can be competative and make more money. Unfortunately the change will probably come about long after Im able to ride off road anymore.

But it is up to us the dyed in the wool 2T riders to make this happen.
So it pains me to say that my next bike will either be a new (newer anyway) 4T machine, or a new (newer) orange 2T machine. Or maybe an ATK 2T.
 
u know husaburg makes a 2 stroke , gas gas, husqvarna, yamaha, miaco, service honda/kawasaki etc...
I know and I stated that in my post. But only the over sea's manufacturers or actively doing research and developement (for improvement). The 2011 Yamaha's if you can find one are basically 2006 or 2008 models with different graphics and zero performace upgrades.
 
the only way I would buy a new bike is if kawi came out with a 2-stroke with SFF forks and direct injection with some nice plastics for once. Just then, maybe, just maybe. Now if I had a heap load of money in my bank account i'd go buy twenty of what ever brand of two-strokes...
 
thats all true, but 2T's may be gone for good due to emissions standards bs for off road vehicles :foul::bleep:

Thank you Comifornia

But there is still hope for it as long as we get on it before other states adopt california's strict regulations
 
4T doesn't have more power than a same size 2T
4T is heavier than a 2T
4T requires more maintenance and maintenance cost than a 2T
:prof:
 
After doing a little digging around the 2 stroke powered bikes are not and have not been banned.
thats all true, but 2T's may be gone for good due to emissions standards bs for off road vehicles :foul::bleep:

Thank you Comifornia

But there is still hope for it as long as we get on it before other states adopt california's strict regulations
As is usual the reality is a bit more complicated. The red/green thing is really more of a federal thing. You see green sticker bikes have an EPA emissions label that states that the bike meets federal standards for off road emissions. Red sticker bikes do not meet off road emissions standards. Look closely and you will see that the four stroke MX race bikes while four stroke are still red sticker.

Now by the letter of the fed regs all red sticker bikes are not eligible for use on federal public lands. They just happen to defer that to the states. Only California makes that distinction. I think that by the stroke of a pen Obama could make an executive order banning all non compliant vehicles from federal lands. Hope it doesn't happen or get a compliant green sticker bike.

As far as I'm concerned the only way to get is to get a plated bike and forget about all the BS.

Ride on...
 
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